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HOBBY PROJECT WITH LASER LIGHT LEADS TO STRANGE PROBLEM
Published by: jack 2010-03-19
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  • We found a diagram on the Internet which transmits sound waves over the beam of a laser pointer by using the output of an audio source to modulate the intensity of the laser. The sound is "recovered" (quite well actually) by shining the beam onto a photo cell which is connected to the input of a small audio amplifier. Alternately, a photo resistor and battery source could be used instead of the photo cell for sound recovery. The diagram we used is here: http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/light/light.html#laser_communicator We have partially killed three laser pointers (fortunately we found a bunch of them at a dollar store for $2.00 (USD $1.28). The strange part is the *partial* killing of the laser and this leads to the question. We began by soldering a wire to the neg of the laser board (see above Internet link for picture). Then another alligator clip was used to connect to the pos. Then those wires were soldered to the transformer and a battery pack was added in series with this side of the circuit. The strange thing is that the laser pointer will only shine at only about 1/10 its original intensity from this point on. The circuit still works but the beam is very dim (actuall, it may be more like 1/100 the original intensity but the way the human eye adjusts for intensity it appears to be more like 1/10). The question(s) is(are): "Why does the laser pointer dim? If it is being damaged, why does it not behave like most other semiconductive circuits and simply die? Why does it not return to its original intensity when removed from the circuit?" I guess all that can be summed up by asking, "What's going on?" There is no need to explain any of the theory behind the actual circuit (since that's well understood here) unless that theory is vital to the dimming of the laser. Our "guess" is that there is a voltage spike (probably caused by making or breaking the circuit) that is somehow being amplified by the matching transformer and allowed to pass through the laser circuitry. We're using a soldering pencil so magnetism is not as high as with a gun; we have been careful with input voltages, etc... What else can I add...? I can't think of anything more at this point.
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  • I feel that the answer to the question is that you have overdriven the laser LED so much that its light emitting efficiency is reduced. LED's typically have a 11year half intensity life(means if the LED is operated for 11years continuosly within the rated power, the intesity reduces by half). It is not much different for a Laser LED diode. I feel that by intensional/unintensional overdrive, you've reduced the life of the LED, which makes it to look dim. It is more similar to the accelared aging of electronic parts(like buring-in a board of components, or simply operating a component such as an electrolytic condensor at its maximum allowed voltage at high humidity and temperature). In this case, just the excess current from the circuit aged the LED.


  • Excerpt from Diode Lasers "This is an interaction between the temperature of the facet and its optical absorption. When the temperature of the facet grows, the absorption can also grow which feeds back positively to the temperature and the temperature "runs away" until it is physically damaged." It's my guess that the facet inside the diode is getting overspiked (current). The diode does not blow completely as seen in typical diodes, rather a portion is damaged. You are then only able to get a fixed amount of current through the diode, and current is directly proportional to the amount of lasing that you are seeing. (Or lack of lasing I should say) Let me know if this is along the right track. Thanks, SgtCory http://www.technology.niagarac.on.ca/people/mcsele/lasers/LasersDiode.htm
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  • avonlea, more info needed, for e.g. what kind of light generating source is used by the 2.00 laser pointer? my suspicion is that the "laser" source is more like a special diode (it got partially fried when you upped the power to the whole circuit to support extra circuitry to control the audio signals, so when you removed the extra circuits, there is no way the diode could recover). maybe am wrong, but perhaps u could just experiment connecting the extra power without the audio circuitry and see if you get the same problem. Might be as simple as that 8-)


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  • See my clarifications.


  • Hello avonlea, Do you have the ability to take measurements on the boards? (voltage) You can check the voltages (base bias) for Q1 and Q2 in an operational state, and compare it to one of the damaged ones. Let me know if you would like an answer based on steps you could take, as pin-pointing the actual problem is *hard* without having the circuit in hand. (Or even a schematic of the small circuit in it's whole form.) Thanks, SgtCory


  • If you haven't already; try a clipping circuit across the primary and/or the secondary of the matching transformer. ie a pair of parallel silicon power diodes anode to cathode will absorb voltage spikes exceeding + or - 0.6 volts. A third winding on the matching transformer will match the impedence of the clipping circuit if neither the primary nor secondary impedence is suitable. The dc resistance of the matching tranformer may be reducing the current to the lasar diode to account for the dimming. If so brightess will return if you short the transformer temporarilly. Neil


  • as it stands the circuit seems "too" simple. also considering when u turn on a Radio. there might be a "thump" on the output. which while maybe be shortlived. or even inaudible will definately be damaging to the diode circuitry as IT will be amplifieed by the tranformer the simplest solution To THAT problem would be to have back to back 6.8 V zener diodes in series with a 5 k resister across the out put of the transformer> something like this. http://first.scriptmania.com/test/laser.gif Again this is only a solution If ure haveing this problem . but we can't be sure u are.


  • The diode (and yes, it's a laser generating diode -- that's what's used in laser pointers costing less than $100.00) appears to have died either before connecting the power (again; we've been careful on voltage) or the moment the power was connected. As stated in my first note, when the laser is removed from the circuit it does not recover. The puzzling point is that the pointer only dims, it does not die completely. That's what I'm wanting to know: "Why?"


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